GRRL019: Working with a record label, objectification, and insecurities with Megan Liscomb of Soft Lions

Year 2 of Grrl on Grrl continues with episode 19 featuring Megan Liscomb of San Diego band Soft Lions. In this episode, Megan and I talk about working with a record label, insecurities as a live musician, and differences in objectification depending on your role in the band. Soft Lions is also a frequent participant of Monica Mendoza’s shows for GRRRL Independent Ladies, which you can hear more about on Monica’s episode of Grrl on Grrl.

Keep an ear out for news on their upcoming album to be released on Velvet Blue Records late October.

Find links to Soft Lions’ website and releases, along with information on the artists featured in the podcast, below. Thanks for listening!

Listen Here

Download episode 19 here [~30 minutes, ~37MB]

Show Notes

  • [1:30] “Phantom” by Soft Lions
  • [5:00] Past and present goals for playing music as Soft Lions
  • [7:30] Physical objects (ie vinyl records) as an experience
    • A memento of a band
    • A quick rundown of the process of creating a physical record
  • [9:30] “37th Street” by Horrible/Adorable
  • [11:15] Working with Orange County record label Velvet Blue Music
    • Production, management, booking
    • “It’s sort of a partnership… He’s a true believer!”
    • How the relationship with the record label started
    • Why bother looking for record label support?
  • [15:45] “Chartreuse” by Sharkmuffin
  • [17:30] Megan’s experiences as a woman in the music scene
    • “The scene has overall gotten better.”
    • Megan’s phone number is up for sale! (Not!)
    • Feeling safer (as a fan or as a musician) when you see other women on stage
  • [20:00] Walking a difficult line between standing your ground and being nice… customer service at its finest
  • [21:15] A story about Megan teaching a man about boundaries, with a happy ending!
  • [23:20] “FUBAR” by The Fresh Brunettes
  • [27:15] Changes in the past decade (ish) in the music scene
    • Treated differently when “just” singing versus also playing an instrument; more objectification
    • Pop singer culture; being eye candy
  • [28:45] QUESTION TO LISTENERS: How can I make Grrl on Grrl a safer, more gender-inclusive space?
    • Since the start of the podcast last year, I’ve made it my mission to make this project as gender-inclusive as possible. But I don’t think I’m doing the best job. How can I make Grrl on Grrl safer for trans men and women, nonbinary folks, and other underrepresented folks to be on the podcast? How can I change my language and mission statement, or anything else, to lift up all of our voices? If you have any ideas, suggestions, or critiques on how to make this podcast safer for guests, listeners, and featured artists, please shoot me an email at grrlongrrlpodcast@gmail.com or message me on Twitter or Facebook.

Links

Thank You!

Thank you to Megan Liscomb for inviting me into her home!

Thanks as always to Gary Hankins, who had to deal with up and down levels for this episode. (INSIDER INFO: We had to move a couple of times during the interview, mostly to watch Megan’s adorable cat be a cat.)

And to Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions for paying for audio hosting costs.

You can find the intro/outro song “Drive”, along with other releases by Polish, on the Polish Bandcamp page.

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GRRL018: Harassment and support liaisons at shows featuring Hailey Wojcik

GRRL018: Harassment at shows and support liaisons with Hailey Wojcik

Grrl on Grrl Year Two officially begins with episode 18 featuring solo artist Hailey Wojcik. Stop-motion animator and pop rock extraordinaire, Hailey is a talented artist and musician, dedicated to improving her crafts.

In this episode, we talk about Hailey’s workflow for booking tours, unwanted physical contact at shows (and other male micro-aggressions), how we can address and fix them, along with plans for her upcoming tour and new album currently being recorded.

Check out how to find Hailey online in the shownotes below.

Grrl on Grrl also has a new intro and outro song! Polish is a San Diego band that features previous guest Lori Sokolowski on bass and vocals. You can find more info at the bottom of this post.

Listen Here!

Download here [MP3, 29.5MB]

Shownotes

  • [2:00] Release of her latest solo EP Book of Beasts and recording an upcoming full-length
  • [3:00] Booking tours and gauging turnout to shows
  • [7:45] Hailey Wojcik – Dog V. Man (Bandcamp)
  • [10:40] Sexual/physical harassment at shows
    • Safety issues when touring as a solo artist
    • Deciding whether to say something or to to ignore harassment
    • Microaggressions (Trigger Warning for content at the link; examples of “casual” racism, ableism, sexism, etc.), mansplaining
  • [14:20] How do we fix the common problem of harassment at shows?
    • “This conversation is a start.”
    • More discussions, strategizing together
  • [15:00] Hailey Wojcik – Cigarette
  • [17:25] Speedy Ortiz/Sadie Dupuis’ harassment hotline: Attendees of their shows can text this hotline in case of harassment or unsafe situations (More info and a Q&A about it here)
  • [18:15] “A neighborhood watch” in venues, holding people accountable, acknowledgment
    • Seraphim Collective in Brooklyn, based on the work done by the Feminist Action Support Network in Chicago
    • “Support liaisons are present at events to prevent harm, provide emotional care, respond to crisis, mediate conflict, and empower others to do the same. We enhance and encourage safer space by our presence and availability” (from the FASN site)
  • [20:15] Hailey Wojcik – XO, Skeleton

Find Hailey online

Special Thanks

Thank you so much to Hailey for taking the time to speak with me! We had a few scheduling hiccups, but finally sitting down with her was such a pleasure and totally worth the wait.

As always, thank you to Gary Hankins and Greg Guiliano (of Wait Think Fast Productions) for their continued support with the podcast. Without them, my podcast wouldn’t sound so good nor would it have proper hosting!

Thank you to Lori Sokolowski and the rest of Polish for letting me use their song “Drive” for the intro and outro music. You can follow them on Facebook and download their songs on their Bandcamp.

 

Summer Hiatus: Getting ready for year 2

I wanted to take the time to announce a two month summer hiatus. As some of you may know or have noticed, I suffer from anxiety (though not as badly or as overtly as my depression), and I’ve decided that I need some time off from the biweekly schedule.

I will be back late August, which will be the FIRST YEAR ANNIVERSARY of Grrl on Grrl. Whaaatt?! I have a couple of episodes recorded, and plan on getting some more interviews done before re-launching in August.

I will also be reflecting this summer on how to improve the podcast, so if anybody has any suggestions, recommendations, or just general thoughts, please feel free to leave a comment or shoot me an email at grrlongrrlpodcast@gmail.com. Another thing I want to think about is whether I should keep the podcast going on a biweekly schedule or move it to a more manageable monthly podcast. What do you think?

Thanks for all your support, kind words, and understanding this past year. I wouldn’t have made it this far without you!

xoxo,

June

GRRL017: Spotify and nipple tape with Coco Tigler of The Fever

Grrl on Grrl goes INTERNATIONAL!

Coco Tigler is one part of the German duo The Fever. She joined me over the phone on the last day of their spring US tour. As an American expat, she shares her views on the music scenes in Berlin and in the US, the differences of touring the US versus Europe, censorship (specifically in regards to women), and finances.

If you liked this episode, please:

Listen Here

Download here. [~27 mins, 31MB]

Shownotes

  • [1:00] The Fever’s Spring US tour
    • Coco’s favorite cities to play
  • [2:00] Wearing and volunteering nipple tape during her shows, nipple censorship in the US
    • Different attitudes between people from the coastal cities vs. the Midwest and South
    • Is the nipple tape sexual?
    • Nipple censorship
  • [4:45] The Fever – On the Warpath
  • [7:45] “When we first started making music, we didn’t have any plans.”
    • Starting with a cheap drum machine and 8-track recorder
  • [9:15] Why being more than a duo wouldn’t be The Fever anymore
    • Chemistry and fighting over their musical ideas
    • “It’s always a surprise how the song’s going to turn out.”
  • [11:45] The Buglies – People Who Knows (Official music video) (Facebook)
  • [13:45] Being on Pandora and Spotify
    • “I just want people to listen to it.”
    • Why support Spotify even though they don’t pay musicians very well?
  • [15:00] The right and wrong way to support musicians
    • Spending money on drinks but refusing to pay the musician
  • [17:00] Breaking even (or not) while touring
    • Strategies
  • [18:00] The Fever – Sixty Stitches from their latest EP
  • [20:45] Booking shows in Europe vs. booking in the US
    • Grouped with diverse (or not) musicians at shows
  • [23:00] Berlin’s art scene and blurring lines of sexuality

Where to Find The Fever

Other Notes & Thanks!

Thank you to Coco for joining me over the phone after their spring tour.

Intro and outro music is “Get Up Got It” by Sullen Ray, off their album Blue Minor.

Mixing provided by Gary Hankins.

Audio hosting costs covered by Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions.

And to all my friends who have been so supportive of this project, I love you!

GRRL016: Borders and riot grrrl feat. Mónica Mendoza of Le Ra & GRRRL Independent Ladies

In San Diego where I’m based, the question of what “to do” with the southern border is, in turns, ignored by many yet extremely relevant to others. For Mónica, who grew up in Tijuana, the border is a social construct that can bring people together.

In this episode, we talk about using the border to connect musicians and artists from Tijuana, San Diego, and Los Angeles and the importance of listening to music in our own languages. And of course, we talk about her band Le Ra and her frontera organization GRRRL Independent Ladies.

This episode also guests poet Felicia Williams and artist Alison Dunlevy.

If you liked this episode, please:

Listen Here

Download here. [~34 mins, 41MB]

Shownotes

  • [2:15] How do you know when your project is the way you envisioned it?
    • Inspiration of the Le Ra name from the artwork of her friend Eddy Miramontes (keep an eye out for news on him!)
    • Respecting the musicians who join you in your project
    • “We were traveling on different paths and then met at the right time.”
  • [5:30] “Do you think you could have gotten the same experience and feel if you had met up earlier?”
    • Changing/growing as a person and musician before experiencing “the right time”
  • [6:15] Le Ra – Sin Nombre
  • [10:15] Tijuana No! as an influence and part of roque en español
    • Representing latinos in music and talking about topics that relate to them
    • Globalism/imperialism in music
  • [13:30] Changes in female representation in music from Mexico (Mexico City and Tijuana)
    • “It’s not new!” The creation of a new generation of “grrrls”
    • How do we get more representation?
  • [15:30] No Girlfriends – Sheets (Unreleased exclusive!)
  • [18:15] GRRRL Independent Ladies as a hub for women to meet and inspire each other
    • Crossing the border, the border as an influence
    • Using music and the border to connect rather than divide people
    • Organizing fests with Los Angeles, San Diego, and Tijuana bands
  • [20:45] How will GRRRL Independent Ladies grow?
    • Documentation of this part of the scene
    • The influence of the 90s riot grrrl movement. “How can we continue to fight for these issues?”
  • [23:00] GRRRL Independent Ladies going across the border, something that riot grrrl didn’t necessarily do
    • The problems with the 90s riot grrrl movement when it came to touching on race, class, gender
    • “Now it’s our turn.”
  • [24:30] Some Kind of Lizard – Black Rain (Unreleased exclusive!)
  • [27:30] Being a woman (or even just a man) of color in the music scene
    • Tijuana vs. San Diego
    • “Am I not looking hard enough?”
    • Minority invisibility
  • [32:00] Art changing culture and society

Where to Find Mónica

Other Notes & Thanks!

Thank you to Mónica for joining me at the house for some tea and chats, and for inspiring me to start putting together the upcoming Grrl on Grrl mini music and art fest.

Intro and outro music is “Get Up Got It” by Sullen Ray, off their album Blue Minor.

Mixing provided by Gary Hankins.

Audio hosting costs covered by Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions.

And to all my friends who have been so supportive of this project, I love you!

Merch contest winners

 

Officially announcing the two winners of the very first Grrl on Grrl merch contest… These lucky folks won some awesome music and merch from Fun While You Wait, Gloomsday, and Blackberry Tongues. Hopefully we’ve got some new fans!

@grrlongrrl is this what you wanted?! Me dancing to @eisley in 2007?! #GrrlOnGrrl #contest

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GRRL015: Band chemistry, creating a fanbase, and Asian American stereotypes featuring Tracie

Thanks to all of you for sticking around during my unexpected anxiety-induced hiatus!

For episode 15, I interviewed Tracie Loo of Sir Coyler and His Asthmatic Band. Despite being based in Seattle, they recorded their upcoming EP at a San Diego studio, and I had a chance to see them play at local venue Tower Bar. Tracie joined me right before her flight back to Seattle. Good thing I live 5 minutes away from the airport!

Tracie contributes, records, and plays as drummer with Sir Coyler & His Asthmatic Band. In this episode, we talk about the importance of band chemistry when it comes to creating music together, stereotypes we have to deal with as Asian Americans, and how to (theoretically) build a fanbase as an indie band.

If you liked this episode, please:

Listen Here

Download here. [~27 mins, 26MB]

Shownotes

  • [1:25] Messing up during their sets
    • “We just look at each other and laugh… We have so much trust.”
  • [3:15] History of the band leading up to Tracie joining and musician crushes
  • [5:30] Being vulnerable in a collaborative band environment
  • [6:45] Sir Coyler & His Asthmatic Band – Invincible Blues – A Grrl on Grrl exclusive from their upcoming EP
  • [9:15] “How do we take the next step to make non-musicians give a shit?”
    • Fans listening just for the hits
    • The importance of word-of-mouth
  • [11:30] The Gooch Palms – Tiny Insight (Website) (Facebook)
  • [14:15] Being treated differently (or not) as a person of color
    • “I’ve had more weird experiences on the street than in a venue or in the scene.”
    • Asian American stereotypes and comments
  • [15:30] Tracie’s history in and reasons for choosing percussion over other instruments
    • A personal choice vs. parental choice
  • [16:30] Artist and podcast news
  • [17:00] Being on stage, being proud of music
    • “I don’t love being the center of attention.”
    • Bringing other musicians on stage
  • [18:30] People approaching the “boys” instead of Tracie to ask about her
  • [19:45] Acapulco Lips – Everything’s Gotta Go (Facebook) (Twitter)
  • [22:45] Thank you to everybody!
  • [23:00] Sullen Ray – Get Up Got It

Where to Find Sir Coyler & His Asthmatic Band’s Music

Other Notes & Thanks!

Thank you to Tracie for interviewing with me right before her flight back to Seattle!

Intro and outro music is “Get Up Got It” by Sullen Ray, off their album Blue Minor.

Mixing provided by Gary Hankins.

Audio hosting costs covered by Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions.

And to all my friends who have been so supportive of this project, I love you!

GRRL014 featuring Dee Ray

GRRL014: Recording for posterity and engaging showgoers and fans, featuring Dee Ray

If you’re listening to this podcast, then you are, at the very least, interested in music and at most, passionate. Grrl on Grrl’s next guest is not only passionate, but she finds herself drawn to music, so much so that it would probably hurt without it.

In this episode, I join Dee Ray in her house where we speak about the importance of recording your music as your personal history. We also talk about Dee’s strategy for engaging showgoers and fans, and enjoying the hands-on approach to books and letters.

If you liked this episode, please:

Listen Here

Download here. [~29 mins, 33MB]

Shownotes

  • [1:30] Not sure what to do next after her past rock bands
    • Cover songs: personal or not?
    • Going in a different musical direction from Dee Ray -> Pretty Boom -> Mr. and Mrs. Ford
  • [4:00] Putting your actual name on the project: personal, vulnerable
    • Moving away from Dee Ray to Pretty Boom turned it into a collaborative experience
  • [5:00] Remembering the very first time performing live
    • Taking the big step into music
    • “Letting loose” while singing
    • “You can’t learn it unless you do it.”
  • [6:30] Making mistakes while performing
  • [7:30] How the hell do you write music with other people?
  • [8:45] Mr. and Mrs. Ford – Red Velvet (live)
  • [11:45] Handwritten postcards to fans before shows
    • Another expression of their art
    • Self-promotion and personalization
  • [13:00] Adding value and something physical to the musical experience
    • Is music throwaway? Does it devalue the work?
  • [15:00] Record, record, record
    • Live performance is illusory. “You can’t nail it down unless you have the music in your hands.”
    • “If you don’t record, you don’t have tangible evidence of where you were at that time.”
  • [15:45] Pretty Boom – Long Way Round
  • [19:00] Talking up San Diego band G Burns Jug Band
    • Watching and hearing the vibrancy from their live show be translated to their recordings
    • Over-producing/recording same part over and over
    • Being let down by a band’s recording versus their live performances
  • [21:00] Music as a hobby or a job? (The answer is neither.)
    • “It’s more important than a hobby.”
    • Referring to music as a product
    • “How do you put a price on your emotions and your life?”
  • [23:00] Dee boosts my ego
    • Podcast giving her the chance to reflect on things she hasn’t thought about for awhile
  • [23:45] Dee Ray – “New York”

Where to Find Dee’s Music

Other Notes & Thanks!

Thank you to Dee Ray for welcoming me into her home!

Intro and outro music is “Get Up Got It” by Sullen Ray, off their album Blue Minor.

Mixing provided by Gary Hankins.

Audio hosting costs covered by Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions.

And to all my friends who have been so supportive of this project, I love you!