GRRL029: Writing in the car, 90s influences, and Instagram marketing with Dee Clement of Lonely Bones

Dee Clement joins me over Skype to talk about her new project Lonely Bones. Why can’t Dee write any love songs? Why does she insist on writing songs while driving? And what’s up with Instagram? We talk about those questions and more!

Previously of Peachy Keene and Sullen Ray, Dee Clement has been playing music and writing songs for a good while. For Lonely Bones, she’s working with Ali Coyle and Javan Slagle who are helping her produce the album.

Thank you to Dee Clement for chatting with me and to all the artists for permission to use their song on the podcast. And as always, thanks to Glenn Greggs of Wait Think Fast Productions–check out his radio show every Tuesday at 9pm EST at WCOM!–and to Polish for use of their song “Drive” as the intro and outro music.

Listen

Download GRRL029 at Libsyn [49 minutes; 45MB] or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play]

Show Notes

Links

 

GRRL028: Pay-to-play, promoting, and self-respect with Jenna of SoCal Indie Musicians

For this episode, Jenna Alonzo joined me over Skype after her tour with her band Frequency Within. Hopefully I’ll be able to get the whole band together for an interview in the future, but this episode is actually about her website SoCal Indie Musicians, which she uses as a platform to help herself and other bands promote themselves and book shows, either through her blog or one-on-one.

After you listen to the interview, scroll down a bit in these here show notes and check out all the blogs Jenna recommends to any DIY musician. You’ll also find links to SoCal Indie Musicians’ social media and her Facebook communities.

Thanks to Jenna Alonzo for joining me for this episode! And as always, thank you to Glenn Greggs of Wait Think Fast Production for being the stalwart financial support for the show. Don’t forget to check out their weekly radio show on WCOM, on Tuesdays at 9pm Eastern Time, for radio plays written by North Carolinian playwrights. The intro and outro song is “Drive” provided by Polish.

Listen Here

Download episode 28 at Libsyn [40 minutes; 36.7MB] or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play]

Show Notes

  • What pay-to-play is, why venues or promoters even do it
  • Jenna’s experiences with pay-to-play and her thoughts on it as a music fan, and then as a musician
  • What makes a good partnership between a band and a venue?
  • Built-in crowd… or not? And knowing your goals and audience
  • [9:00] Frequency Within – “Static Ground”
  • The purpose of SoCal Indie Musicians blog
    • Lots of tips on marketing and booking so she doesn’t keep repeating herself
  • Education in music business and reading as many blogs and books as possible (look below for links to her recommended resources)
  • Learning from mistakes… everything as a new experience. “You can’t really do anything wrong.”
  • “You can’t do everything on your own all the time… even if you want to.”
    • SCIM growing, other people helping
  • What do you look for in a band to decide you want to work with them?
    • “I listen to everything.”
    • “If the song itself is really great, then I’ll check them out further.”
  • Red flags/pet peeves: seeing symptoms and signs of bands she doesn’t want to work with
    • June rants a tiny bit about show attendance
  • [22:00] Black Jacobins – “War is Hell” (Facebook) (CDBaby)
  • What do women and nonbinary folx need to know about the business of music that’s specific to them?
    • Stand up for yourself, basically
  • Some rad venues
  • What are steps to make Orange County venues safer/opener?
  • Putting your safety and feelings above your career
    • Article mentioned in the episode: “This Is Why Wax Idols and King Woman Dropped Off Their Tour with Pentagram” by Cat Jones
    • From the article: “I’ve gotten extremely used to being discredited, scoffed at, made fun of, told that I’m a bitch, that I’m crazy, that I’m delusional, that I’m a nobody, that what I think doesn’t matter, that my band doesn’t matter—I’ve been told all of these things by so many people, and I’m used to it. But I don’t believe it. So I refuse to allow myself to be treated that way, no matter what people say to me and how people treat me. And I’m not going to let my bandmates get treated that way. Absolutely not. I’ll never sit back and watch people that I care about get disrespected and treated like shit, and watch them feel bad and uncomfortable, and not do anything to help them. It’s just not going to happen.” — Hether Fortune
  • [34:30] The Black Heartthrobs – “Everything’s Alright”
  • Officially announcing the 2017 Grrl on Grrl & Cinema Spartan merch giveaway

Links

Jenna’s Blog & Book Recommendations

From an email to me:

As far as books go, they get outdated quickly and a lot of them say the same things about the old music business.  Everything relevant & new you can find as Blogs & on YouTube.  I did, however, purchase Ari’s book “How to make it in the new music business” which is excellent so far and came out in December 2016.  He’s very real and his writing alternates between using “he” and “she” making the reading experience more comfortable.

GRRL026: Femme punk, misconceptions, and song inspiration, with the Fresh Brunettes

ANYWAY, HERE’S EPISODE 26.

This episode of Grrl on Grrl features Aleisha and Alexis of San Diego “femme punk” band The Fresh Brunettes. Their bassist Paul was also in the room, but didn’t say much, as bassists are wont to do, and Fresh Brunettes’ dog mascot Cosmo also graced us with his presence.

Besides the amazing songs from Lisa Prank, Soft Lions, the Candelights, you’ll hear Alexis and Aleisha talk about preconceived notions of what a guitarist or drummer should look like, some inspiration for their songs, and what they appreciate when interacting with their audience.

Thank you as always to Glenn Greggs of Wait Think Fast Production for providing hosting costs, to Polish for providing their song “Drive” for the intro and outro music, and for the first time ever, to Adam Goron, producer of Chicago’s “premier” Star Trek podcast Space Lincoln, for helping me remove some crazy noise on one of the interview tracks. A true lifesaver!

Listen Here

Download GRRL026 on Libsyn [31.2MB, 34 minutes] or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play]

Show Notes

  • The who’s who of the Fresh Brunettes
  • A little bit about the name of their latest album Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition
  • What does calling themselves “femme punk” mean
    • Making feminist music; “crass with class”
  • [4:30] Lisa Prank – “Luv is Dumb
  • Meanings behind new songs not on their latest album: “GPS” and “Miss America”
    • “Miss America” based off a poem by Alexis
    • Trigger warning: description of an assault video
  • Deciding on what songs to play and what to have on the album
  • [11:40] Soft Lions – “Digital Girls
  • Their interview on San Diego radio station 91x (91.1)
  • Fans/audience responses and conversations
    • “That’s probably why I like performing so much. It’s my chance to let loose.”
    • Being “unexpectedly” loud (and whether that has to do with gender)
    • Being shy in person but having to perform banter as well
  • [19:30] The Candelights – “Motel” (Facebook) – formerly known as The End
  • Misconceptions and assumptions made on what Aleisha plays or sounds like
    • Counterpoint: Alexis on drums
  • Without Paul the bassist, the new album would not have been made!
  • “Would you do anything different?” Book differently, being smarter about booking in 2017
  • CD/cassette release – Hoping to release through Weiner Records, but…
  • [28:30] The Fresh Brunettes – “Friends”
  • Googling The Fresh Brunettes & Paul’s insightful commentary

Links

GRRL027: Depression & (the lack of) DIY spaces with Diana Regan

You might be wondering where episode 26 is, but uh, just… it never existed. (It’ll come soon, I promise.)

For episode 27, I interviewed Oakland-based solo artist Diana Regan, who records and releases her music straight from her home! In the episode, we talk about the stories behind her songs and our process transposing  and performing our songs in different instruments–in her case, ukulele to guitar; for me, ukulele to piano. We also touch on the Ghost Ship warehouse fire in Oakland last year, and how DIY spaces and communities like that saved Diana in her younger years.

Not-so-fun fact: I originally interviewed Diana in early 2016 but because of technical difficulties, I had to scrap the interview. Fortunately Diana was willing to sit down with me for a SECOND interview. Thanks to Diana for her patience!

Content Warning: We talk extensively about dealing with depression, and also have mentions of self-harm, addiction, and trauma.

Listen Here

Download GRRL027 from Libsyn [39min, 36.1MB] or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play]

Show Notes

Links

Thanks

As always, thank you so much to Glenn Greggs of Wait Think Fast Productions for providing audio hosting costs. You can check out Glenn’s show every Tuesday 9pm EST on WCOMFM, a public radio station in North Carolina that features radio plays by local playwrights. You can listen live on the website.

And of course, thank you so much to Diana Regan for sitting down with me (again!) and to Polish for providing the intro and outro music.

GRRL025: Fiddling, contra dance, and gender at Smith College, with Anna Levitt of Crooked

Welcome to episode 25 of Grrl on Grrl with Anna Levitt of San Diego folk band Crooked. In this episode we talk about the differences between classical violin and fiddle, gender at Anna’s alma mater Smith College and with babies, and the two different faces of her band Crooked.

Disclaimer/corrections on the portion about Smith College: During the interview we talk about how trans men are included in Smith, but it looks like that is not the case any longer. If you look at their gender inclusion policy on their site, they admit women (cis and trans), do not include trans men, and then have a complete non-answer for genderqueer and gender nonconforming individuals. This makes me pretty uncomfortable, and honestly, I’m not sure how to express my feelings on this. I’m definitely interested in how their policy will continue to evolve. What are your thoughts? Feel free to shoot me an email! I’d love to hear from you!

I got my first one-star rating on iTunes. I’m assuming it’s some sort of men’s rights activist, but who knows? If you wanna help the podcast rating out at all, please head on over to the podcast on iTunes and leave your thoughts and suggestions. I’m always excited to hear from you!

Listen

Download GRRL025 at Libsyn [43mins, ~60MB] or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play]

Show Notes

  • [2:00] Crooked – “Another Cuppa Joe”
  • [6:00] The differences between violin and fiddle
    • “A lot of people ask what the fiddle is relative to the violin.” “Oh my God, I was totally gonna ask that next!”
  • [7:30] A bit about Anna’s band Crooked
    • Everybody contributing singing, writing, and playing
    • Anna branching into writing lyrics
  • [9:20] One of Anna’s songs making it into the Crooked album (“Mama Put the Frango On“)
    • Road trip in Mozambique for a music festival
    • Mbila/Timbila – xylophone-esque
  • [12:20] Uncle Earl – Willie Taylor (Album) (Website)
  • [16:40] Training in/playing classical music and then finding where the fun was–Irish bars!

  • [18:40] Going to a women’s college

    • Gender neutral language in college policy, how the changes came about
      • “Having language that said ‘she’ and ‘her’ was really inspiring [in original college policy] but it’s a new age and we were excluding people.”
      • Being politic, consulting alumni before making changes
    • The community aspect: having regular, virtual tea parties
    • “GENDER IS DUMB.”
  • [22:30] Having a baby and having to talk about gender

    • “What is it?”

    • “I don’t want to force [gender] on a two-day old child.”
    • Baby X story by Lois Gould, a fictional short story originally published in the 1970s in Ms. Magazine
    • “Babies have a lot in common. They want to chew on things.”
  • [25:00] Rayna Gellert & Friends – Ducks on the Millpond (Website)
  • [27:20] Crooked: 1 band, 2 incarnations
    • What you hear on the record vs. live contradance band
    • Contradance – a partnered dance, originally popular in the Appalachians with a couple of revivals (including now!)
  • [30:15] San Diego Contra Dance, associated with the SD Folk Heritage
    • Gender neutral one in San Francisco, but not in San Diego
    • Learning opportunities in San Diego Contradance by playing in their community band
  • [32:00] The differences between square dancing, country line dancing, and contradance
    • Starting a “square-volution”
    • Learning in elementary school
    • Henry Ford?!?!
  • [34:15] City Heights Music School – Saturday school, non-profit
    • Anna’s involvement with them
  • [37:45] The Nields – Keys to the Kingdom (Website)

Links

Thanks

Thanks so much to Anna for inviting me into her home and picking some great artists and songs to feature in her episode!

And as always, thank you to everyone who checked in on me the last two weeks to see where the new episodes were, to Gary Hankins who tried his best to get rid of some of that electrical buzz in the recording and put the whole thing together, to Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions for hosting costs, and to Polish for their song “Drive.”

Thanks as always to Gary Hankins who tried his best to get rid of some of that electrical buzz in the recording, and to Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions for hosting costs.

 

GRRL024: Streak of bad luck and sneaking off to play drums, with Stefanie of Caustic Casanova

Stefanie joined me online after Caustic Casanova’s 2016 tour to talk about their almost-comical bad luck streak during the first week of their tour, some tour tips, a bit about their record label Retro Futurist, and the difficult time and plain hard work she put in to recover from breaking *both* her wrists. I also bust out my trumpet playing story again, but this time to learn about Stefanie’s slight subterfuge when it came to finally playing the drums in high school.

Based in Washington D.C., Caustic Casanova has been described as “heavy metal B-52s” and other crossovers that usually involve the words “hard”, “heavy”, and “psychedelic.” They’ll be recording a new album starting in April, before going on yet another summer tour, so keep an eye out for tour dates. You do NOT want to miss them!

Listen

Download episode 24 at Libsyn or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play]

Show Notes

  • Caustic Casanova – “Thundersnow”
  • Are genres so important nowadays?
  • Things Stefanie learned from their 2016 tour
    • Plan for traffic – Giving themselves a 2hr buffer
    • More off-days to recoup and for equipment malfunctions
    • Coming across amp trouble and finding a savior in St. Louis at Acme Guitars
  • Irata – “Lion Slayer” (Website)
  • Touring – how and why
  • How did the tour work out financially? Not quite breaking even
    • Stefanie wants to emphasize how totally do-able touring is for any band that’s around Caustic Casanova’s level
  • Emily Danger – “Peace Arch” (Website)
  • Retro Futurist Records – Savannah, Georgia label – owned by the folks of Kylesa who Caustic Casanova toured with before being asked to join the label
  • Breaking bones – delays in putting out Breaks
    • Surgery and moving in with parents
    • Loss of independence, mental health, and becoming motivated to kick ass at physical therapy
  • Holly Hunt – “Meano”
  • Learning trumpet because mom didn’t want her play the drums
    • “But my heart’s always belonged to the drums.”
    • Sneaking off to find a drum kit
  • Heavy music dominated by men, drumming especially, but there are a lot of girl drummers out there

Links

Interlude 004: trans-exclusion at the women’s march, podcast recs, and poetry from Felicia Williams

Interlude 004 is all about inclusivity/exclusivity: from podcasts that interview with inclusivity in mind to the global women’s march in January. Plus, “Nvr Pass” by previous Grrl on Grrl guest Emma with her band She/Her/Hers, and the poem “A Kind of Dying” by San Diego poet Felicia Williams.

Wanna submit your poetry and flash fiction to be featured in an Interlude episode? Shoot me an email! 

Don’t forget to rate & review Grrl on Grrl on iTunes or Stitcher, and you can follow me on Twitter and Instagram @grrlongrrl, or you can like the Grrl on Grrl Podcast page on Facebook.

Listen Here

Download at Libsyn or listen at these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play]

Links & Notes

  • She/Her/Hers – “Nvr Pass”
  • Birthday Loon Studios by Hailey Wojcik – you can hear some more about Hailey’s stop motion animation work on her episode here
    • So much detail. So much work.
    • Facebook
    • All her videos on Vimeo
  • Angry Grrrl Music of the Indie Rock Persuasion by Amanda Starling – a podcast highlighting women, femmes, LGBTQ, and minority movements in the punk rock & indie rock scenes
  • Sooo Many White Guys
    • “Join comedian Phoebe Robinson as she talks to performers, musicians, authors and artists who are killing it in their fields. Oh, and none of them are white dudes! Whew.”
    • Episode 17 with Margaret Cho – “Phoebe and Margaret Cho Hope They Die Alone”

Women’s March / Exclusion of Trans Voices

Felicia Williams

Thanks!

Thank you to Felicia Williams, Asher Mendel, Emma of She/Her/Hers, and Polish for the use of their song “Drive.”

GRRL023: unexpected double standards and “women in music” tropes, featuring the Fictitious Dishes

All four members of the Fictitious Dishes (Taryn, Liz, Maggie, and Jacquie) join me on this episode of Grrl on Grrl to talk about whether or not to expect people to pay for their music, the possibilities of working with a producer, some conflicting messages from showgoers when Taryn’s husband Hugh (of Slum Summer) filled in for Liz, and double standards and confusion in feminism and music.

This is the first time I recorded more than 2 people on separate mics. It needs some work, but I definitely learned a lot and I have some goals to reach the level of quality I really want in the future. For now, I hope I fixed the levels enough in post that you can hear everybody well!

Grrl on Grrl is now back on its biweekly schedule. Are you excited? I’m excited. Relieved and excited. Thanks for listening!

Listen Here

Download episode 23 at Libsyn [37min, 36.3MB] or listen at these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play]

Show Notes

  • The Fictitious Dishes – “Counting Coup” (demo)
  • Recording while pregnant
  • Wanting/needing a producer for the demos
  • “Why is your music free?” — Paying for music or not
  • We’ve Got a Fuzzbox and We’re Gonna Use It!! – “Love is the Slug”
  • Shit for being an all woman band
  • Implicit biases about women and men’s relationships within a band
  • Playing in an all-girl band (compared to their previous bands)
  • “Does it need to be a woman or not?” That’s kind of our thing. / Co-ed bands
  • Spending time with people you enjoy == your band
  • Being asked to be a role model for girls just because you’re a woman
    • Double standard — you wouldn’t ask white guys if they consider themselves a role model
  • Men Who Rock! and Men Who Rock! II at Seattle alternative magazine The Stranger: a parody of how women are portrayed in music magazines
  • Amy Klein of Titus Andronicus on not seeing any women with instruments in Rolling Stone – Beautifully written, this article (which was originally a Tumblr post(s)) is about how important it is for girls to see more of themselves in magazines and media, the severe lack of representation of women just doing things, and the exhausting standards of perfection women must face in male-dominated fields.
    • There are so many good quotes in this, but here’s one: “What we’re doing when we exclude women from rock and roll, and from the sense of rebellion that rock and roll promises, is disallowing women that independent perspective. We’re never giving them the chance to think critically about the world, and about the systems that oppress them. When we take women out of the arts, and take them out of art’s ability to critique the way things are, we’re making sure that women keep swallowing the status quo, day after day, and it’s the status quo that keeps us down.”
  • Happy Fangs – “Hiya Kaw Kaw” (Website)

Links

Thanks!

Thank you to Liz, Taryn, Maggie, and Jacquie of the Fictitious Dishes! Taryn and Hugh graciously allowed me and the rest of the band into their home to do the interview.

Thank you as always to Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions and to Polish for letting me use their song “Drive” for the intro and outro music.

GRRL Interludes 003: Music news, fake news, and a Backpage.com update

In this quick episode, I give some updates on past Grrl on Grrl guests, including new albums and award nominations! Plus I plug a great podcast and a couple of articles about journalism and fake news, and a quick update on Backpage.com–which I talked about in Interlude Episode 001–and some organizations to check out in the wake up the shutdown. I also have the pleasure of talking over some ambient music created by Asher Mendel, because I felt weird having just my voice talking with no background. So uh, what do you think? Is it too distracting? Too gloomy? TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK.

Listen Here

Download Interlude 003 on Libsyn [7MB, ~7min] or listen at these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play]

Music News

The Rise of Fake News

…and how to navigate it.

Paraphrased from the Flash Forward episode “Extra! Extra!”, here are two things you can do before sharing anything on social media.

  1. Read the article and find its sources. Do the so-called experts quoted in the article even exist? If there are research articles cited, were they published by a legitimate journal? Because apparently there are publications out there where you can just PAY to have your article published. No peer review required.
  2. Check what website it’s on. Does the rest of the site have an obvious political agenda? Are the other articles on the site bogus as shit?

Backpage.com Update

It happened, Backpage.com shut down their adult services section, putting many sex workers in dangerous positions.

GRRL022: New York vs. LA, the hustle, and touring with Deftones and Refused featuring Sarah Quintero of Spotlights

Happy new year, folks, and welcome to episode #22 of Grrl on Grrl!

In this episode, you’ll hear Sarah Quintero of Spotlights, a sludgegaze band from New York. She and Mario, who you heard mentioned in a cut segment I included at the end of the last episode, met in San Diego, before moving to Brooklyn where they are now based. In summer of 2016, they toured with Refused and Deftones! You’ll hear more about that in the interview. We also talk about their goals with growing the band and the supportive music scene in New York.

The first episode of 2017 runs a bit longer at 53 minutes, but it’s totally worth it because you’ll get to hear not only Spotlights, but San Diego’s Sleeping People and Seattle-based band He Whose Ox Is Gored. Enjoy!

Listen Here

Download from Libsyn [53 minutes; 50.6MB] or listen at these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play]

Show Notes

  • Collaborating with a significant other; the inception of Sleep Lady and Spotlights
  • Why move to Brooklyn? How is it compared to people’s attitudes in Los Angeles?
  • “The hustle”: DIY management, getting press, networking (ie making friends)
  • Finding a home at St. Vitus in New York 
  • Sarah’s zero tolerance to getting flak as a woman in a heavier genre
    • metal as one of the most supportive music genres
    • “life’s too short for bullshit”
  • The tour with Deftones and Refused
    • Brooklyn Vegan
    • Super exciting and super terrifying – “what if they’re total assholes?”
  • Differences between setting up your own tour vs being on tour with an already established band
  • Crowquill Records – what a record label should do
  • Mario’s side solo project: Codas
  • Making connections more easily now – social media – digital distribution
    • it’s easy enough to move on if something doesn’t work

Song List

Thanks!

Thank you so much to Sarah for speaking with me and being so inspiring, and to the folks at He Whose Ox Is Gored and Sleeping People for being part of this episode’s playlist.

And as always, thank you to Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions and to Polish for letting me use their song “Drive” as the Grrl on Grrl theme song.