GRRL021: Songumentaries, reverse sexism?!, and going pro with Angie Walton of Duping the Public

In this episode, Angie of Duping the Public and I talk about DTP’s songumentary series–which documents their songwriting, production, and recording process, lifting women up in a male-dominated industry, how soul-sucking “going pro” in any industry can be, and the strides women have made in the music scene.

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Show Notes

Links

  • Website (Find their music and merch store, blog posts and more info on the songumentaries, and news)
  • Vimeo (actual songumentary videos)
  • Facebook

Thanks

Thank you so much to Angie for inviting me into the Duping the Public practice space for the interview. Thanks as always to Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions! Editing, mixing, and mastering was done by me, June, this time, so don’t blame Gary for any mishaps in the episode. (On that note, if you have any comments or suggestions or any glaring errors I missed editing the episode, please let me know!)

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GRRL020: Staying safe, queer, and slutty with Oakland band Spray Tan

For episode 20, all three members of the self-proclaimed super queer, super slutty Oakland band Spray Tan–Andrea, Dorsey, and Lindsay–joined me online to talk about their experiences touring and staying safe as a queer band. We talk a bit about what came first–the punk or the queer?, how they determine when they play one of their more incendiary songs, and a bit of their songwriting process. (Hint: I wish I could be there.)

Trigger warning for use of queer slurs in reclaimed and un-reclaimed contexts.

Listen/Download

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Shownotes

  • [1:30] Accidentally forming Spray Tan
    • Wanting to form a “squawky” jazz band
    • The term “slut rock” – “Maybe we should just write songs about being sluts.”
    • Thelma and the Sleaze as an influence – “Shreddy rock and roll people”
  • [3:15] Songwriting process, collaborative and trashy
  • [5:20] Spray Tan – Str8 H8
    • Would you leave the room if you heard this song?
    • Connects into the following discussion…
  • [6:30] Feeling safe (or not) playing songs like “Str8 H8”
    • How do you decide to play the song? Red flags
    • Will people become violent in response to songs like that?
  • [9:50] Trap Girl – Dead Men Don’t Rape
  • [11:15] Spray Tan’s worst tour experience
    • Backing out on a radio show in Utah (TW: use of slurs)
    • and accidentally following Built to Spill on tour
  • [14:00] Great experiences on tour: Identifying with and playing with queer communities, big and small
    • Oakland: “Everybody’s in a queer band.” “…isn’t that a good thing though?”
  • [15:00] Sissyfit – BFF
  • [17:00] Olympia, WA
    • “It’s a town of punks.” “Or queer.”
    • Gay New York – the history of the word “punk” from gay history
  • [17:50] Boner City – Die Young
  • [20:30] The story behind their laser-etched pins
    • Laser-etched dildo pins…… coming soon?!?!?!?!?!

Links

Music Video

Thanks

Thanks as always to all of you for listening, to Gary Hankins, and to Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions.

The intro and outro track is “Drive” by Polish, which you can find on their Bandcamp.

GRRL019: Working with a record label, objectification, and insecurities with Megan Liscomb of Soft Lions

Year 2 of Grrl on Grrl continues with episode 19 featuring Megan Liscomb of San Diego band Soft Lions. In this episode, Megan and I talk about working with a record label, insecurities as a live musician, and differences in objectification depending on your role in the band. Soft Lions is also a frequent participant of Monica Mendoza’s shows for GRRRL Independent Ladies, which you can hear more about on Monica’s episode of Grrl on Grrl.

Keep an ear out for news on their upcoming album to be released on Velvet Blue Records late October.

Find links to Soft Lions’ website and releases, along with information on the artists featured in the podcast, below. Thanks for listening!

Listen Here

Download episode 19 here [~30 minutes, ~37MB]

Show Notes

  • [1:30] “Phantom” by Soft Lions
  • [5:00] Past and present goals for playing music as Soft Lions
  • [7:30] Physical objects (ie vinyl records) as an experience
    • A memento of a band
    • A quick rundown of the process of creating a physical record
  • [9:30] “37th Street” by Horrible/Adorable
  • [11:15] Working with Orange County record label Velvet Blue Music
    • Production, management, booking
    • “It’s sort of a partnership… He’s a true believer!”
    • How the relationship with the record label started
    • Why bother looking for record label support?
  • [15:45] “Chartreuse” by Sharkmuffin
  • [17:30] Megan’s experiences as a woman in the music scene
    • “The scene has overall gotten better.”
    • Megan’s phone number is up for sale! (Not!)
    • Feeling safer (as a fan or as a musician) when you see other women on stage
  • [20:00] Walking a difficult line between standing your ground and being nice… customer service at its finest
  • [21:15] A story about Megan teaching a man about boundaries, with a happy ending!
  • [23:20] “FUBAR” by The Fresh Brunettes
  • [27:15] Changes in the past decade (ish) in the music scene
    • Treated differently when “just” singing versus also playing an instrument; more objectification
    • Pop singer culture; being eye candy
  • [28:45] QUESTION TO LISTENERS: How can I make Grrl on Grrl a safer, more gender-inclusive space?
    • Since the start of the podcast last year, I’ve made it my mission to make this project as gender-inclusive as possible. But I don’t think I’m doing the best job. How can I make Grrl on Grrl safer for trans men and women, nonbinary folks, and other underrepresented folks to be on the podcast? How can I change my language and mission statement, or anything else, to lift up all of our voices? If you have any ideas, suggestions, or critiques on how to make this podcast safer for guests, listeners, and featured artists, please shoot me an email at grrlongrrlpodcast@gmail.com or message me on Twitter or Facebook.

Links

Thank You!

Thank you to Megan Liscomb for inviting me into her home!

Thanks as always to Gary Hankins, who had to deal with up and down levels for this episode. (INSIDER INFO: We had to move a couple of times during the interview, mostly to watch Megan’s adorable cat be a cat.)

And to Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions for paying for audio hosting costs.

You can find the intro/outro song “Drive”, along with other releases by Polish, on the Polish Bandcamp page.

GRRL017: Spotify and nipple tape with Coco Tigler of The Fever

Grrl on Grrl goes INTERNATIONAL!

Coco Tigler is one part of the German duo The Fever. She joined me over the phone on the last day of their spring US tour. As an American expat, she shares her views on the music scenes in Berlin and in the US, the differences of touring the US versus Europe, censorship (specifically in regards to women), and finances.

If you liked this episode, please:

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Download here. [~27 mins, 31MB]

Shownotes

  • [1:00] The Fever’s Spring US tour
    • Coco’s favorite cities to play
  • [2:00] Wearing and volunteering nipple tape during her shows, nipple censorship in the US
    • Different attitudes between people from the coastal cities vs. the Midwest and South
    • Is the nipple tape sexual?
    • Nipple censorship
  • [4:45] The Fever – On the Warpath
  • [7:45] “When we first started making music, we didn’t have any plans.”
    • Starting with a cheap drum machine and 8-track recorder
  • [9:15] Why being more than a duo wouldn’t be The Fever anymore
    • Chemistry and fighting over their musical ideas
    • “It’s always a surprise how the song’s going to turn out.”
  • [11:45] The Buglies – People Who Knows (Official music video) (Facebook)
  • [13:45] Being on Pandora and Spotify
    • “I just want people to listen to it.”
    • Why support Spotify even though they don’t pay musicians very well?
  • [15:00] The right and wrong way to support musicians
    • Spending money on drinks but refusing to pay the musician
  • [17:00] Breaking even (or not) while touring
    • Strategies
  • [18:00] The Fever – Sixty Stitches from their latest EP
  • [20:45] Booking shows in Europe vs. booking in the US
    • Grouped with diverse (or not) musicians at shows
  • [23:00] Berlin’s art scene and blurring lines of sexuality

Where to Find The Fever

Other Notes & Thanks!

Thank you to Coco for joining me over the phone after their spring tour.

Intro and outro music is “Get Up Got It” by Sullen Ray, off their album Blue Minor.

Mixing provided by Gary Hankins.

Audio hosting costs covered by Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions.

And to all my friends who have been so supportive of this project, I love you!

GRRL016: Borders and riot grrrl feat. Mónica Mendoza of Le Ra & GRRRL Independent Ladies

In San Diego where I’m based, the question of what “to do” with the southern border is, in turns, ignored by many yet extremely relevant to others. For Mónica, who grew up in Tijuana, the border is a social construct that can bring people together.

In this episode, we talk about using the border to connect musicians and artists from Tijuana, San Diego, and Los Angeles and the importance of listening to music in our own languages. And of course, we talk about her band Le Ra and her frontera organization GRRRL Independent Ladies.

This episode also guests poet Felicia Williams and artist Alison Dunlevy.

If you liked this episode, please:

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Download here. [~34 mins, 41MB]

Shownotes

  • [2:15] How do you know when your project is the way you envisioned it?
    • Inspiration of the Le Ra name from the artwork of her friend Eddy Miramontes (keep an eye out for news on him!)
    • Respecting the musicians who join you in your project
    • “We were traveling on different paths and then met at the right time.”
  • [5:30] “Do you think you could have gotten the same experience and feel if you had met up earlier?”
    • Changing/growing as a person and musician before experiencing “the right time”
  • [6:15] Le Ra – Sin Nombre
  • [10:15] Tijuana No! as an influence and part of roque en español
    • Representing latinos in music and talking about topics that relate to them
    • Globalism/imperialism in music
  • [13:30] Changes in female representation in music from Mexico (Mexico City and Tijuana)
    • “It’s not new!” The creation of a new generation of “grrrls”
    • How do we get more representation?
  • [15:30] No Girlfriends – Sheets (Unreleased exclusive!)
  • [18:15] GRRRL Independent Ladies as a hub for women to meet and inspire each other
    • Crossing the border, the border as an influence
    • Using music and the border to connect rather than divide people
    • Organizing fests with Los Angeles, San Diego, and Tijuana bands
  • [20:45] How will GRRRL Independent Ladies grow?
    • Documentation of this part of the scene
    • The influence of the 90s riot grrrl movement. “How can we continue to fight for these issues?”
  • [23:00] GRRRL Independent Ladies going across the border, something that riot grrrl didn’t necessarily do
    • The problems with the 90s riot grrrl movement when it came to touching on race, class, gender
    • “Now it’s our turn.”
  • [24:30] Some Kind of Lizard – Black Rain (Unreleased exclusive!)
  • [27:30] Being a woman (or even just a man) of color in the music scene
    • Tijuana vs. San Diego
    • “Am I not looking hard enough?”
    • Minority invisibility
  • [32:00] Art changing culture and society

Where to Find Mónica

Other Notes & Thanks!

Thank you to Mónica for joining me at the house for some tea and chats, and for inspiring me to start putting together the upcoming Grrl on Grrl mini music and art fest.

Intro and outro music is “Get Up Got It” by Sullen Ray, off their album Blue Minor.

Mixing provided by Gary Hankins.

Audio hosting costs covered by Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions.

And to all my friends who have been so supportive of this project, I love you!

GRRL015: Band chemistry, creating a fanbase, and Asian American stereotypes featuring Tracie

Thanks to all of you for sticking around during my unexpected anxiety-induced hiatus!

For episode 15, I interviewed Tracie Loo of Sir Coyler and His Asthmatic Band. Despite being based in Seattle, they recorded their upcoming EP at a San Diego studio, and I had a chance to see them play at local venue Tower Bar. Tracie joined me right before her flight back to Seattle. Good thing I live 5 minutes away from the airport!

Tracie contributes, records, and plays as drummer with Sir Coyler & His Asthmatic Band. In this episode, we talk about the importance of band chemistry when it comes to creating music together, stereotypes we have to deal with as Asian Americans, and how to (theoretically) build a fanbase as an indie band.

If you liked this episode, please:

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Download here. [~27 mins, 26MB]

Shownotes

  • [1:25] Messing up during their sets
    • “We just look at each other and laugh… We have so much trust.”
  • [3:15] History of the band leading up to Tracie joining and musician crushes
  • [5:30] Being vulnerable in a collaborative band environment
  • [6:45] Sir Coyler & His Asthmatic Band – Invincible Blues – A Grrl on Grrl exclusive from their upcoming EP
  • [9:15] “How do we take the next step to make non-musicians give a shit?”
    • Fans listening just for the hits
    • The importance of word-of-mouth
  • [11:30] The Gooch Palms – Tiny Insight (Website) (Facebook)
  • [14:15] Being treated differently (or not) as a person of color
    • “I’ve had more weird experiences on the street than in a venue or in the scene.”
    • Asian American stereotypes and comments
  • [15:30] Tracie’s history in and reasons for choosing percussion over other instruments
    • A personal choice vs. parental choice
  • [16:30] Artist and podcast news
  • [17:00] Being on stage, being proud of music
    • “I don’t love being the center of attention.”
    • Bringing other musicians on stage
  • [18:30] People approaching the “boys” instead of Tracie to ask about her
  • [19:45] Acapulco Lips – Everything’s Gotta Go (Facebook) (Twitter)
  • [22:45] Thank you to everybody!
  • [23:00] Sullen Ray – Get Up Got It

Where to Find Sir Coyler & His Asthmatic Band’s Music

Other Notes & Thanks!

Thank you to Tracie for interviewing with me right before her flight back to Seattle!

Intro and outro music is “Get Up Got It” by Sullen Ray, off their album Blue Minor.

Mixing provided by Gary Hankins.

Audio hosting costs covered by Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions.

And to all my friends who have been so supportive of this project, I love you!

GRRL014 featuring Dee Ray

GRRL014: Recording for posterity and engaging showgoers and fans, featuring Dee Ray

If you’re listening to this podcast, then you are, at the very least, interested in music and at most, passionate. Grrl on Grrl’s next guest is not only passionate, but she finds herself drawn to music, so much so that it would probably hurt without it.

In this episode, I join Dee Ray in her house where we speak about the importance of recording your music as your personal history. We also talk about Dee’s strategy for engaging showgoers and fans, and enjoying the hands-on approach to books and letters.

If you liked this episode, please:

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Shownotes

  • [1:30] Not sure what to do next after her past rock bands
    • Cover songs: personal or not?
    • Going in a different musical direction from Dee Ray -> Pretty Boom -> Mr. and Mrs. Ford
  • [4:00] Putting your actual name on the project: personal, vulnerable
    • Moving away from Dee Ray to Pretty Boom turned it into a collaborative experience
  • [5:00] Remembering the very first time performing live
    • Taking the big step into music
    • “Letting loose” while singing
    • “You can’t learn it unless you do it.”
  • [6:30] Making mistakes while performing
  • [7:30] How the hell do you write music with other people?
  • [8:45] Mr. and Mrs. Ford – Red Velvet (live)
  • [11:45] Handwritten postcards to fans before shows
    • Another expression of their art
    • Self-promotion and personalization
  • [13:00] Adding value and something physical to the musical experience
    • Is music throwaway? Does it devalue the work?
  • [15:00] Record, record, record
    • Live performance is illusory. “You can’t nail it down unless you have the music in your hands.”
    • “If you don’t record, you don’t have tangible evidence of where you were at that time.”
  • [15:45] Pretty Boom – Long Way Round
  • [19:00] Talking up San Diego band G Burns Jug Band
    • Watching and hearing the vibrancy from their live show be translated to their recordings
    • Over-producing/recording same part over and over
    • Being let down by a band’s recording versus their live performances
  • [21:00] Music as a hobby or a job? (The answer is neither.)
    • “It’s more important than a hobby.”
    • Referring to music as a product
    • “How do you put a price on your emotions and your life?”
  • [23:00] Dee boosts my ego
    • Podcast giving her the chance to reflect on things she hasn’t thought about for awhile
  • [23:45] Dee Ray – “New York”

Where to Find Dee’s Music

Other Notes & Thanks!

Thank you to Dee Ray for welcoming me into her home!

Intro and outro music is “Get Up Got It” by Sullen Ray, off their album Blue Minor.

Mixing provided by Gary Hankins.

Audio hosting costs covered by Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions.

And to all my friends who have been so supportive of this project, I love you!

GRRL013: Musical collectives and learning from side projects, featuring Ali Coyle of Strangers Inc

Ali Coyle is a Los Angeles and Orange County based musician who has played in countless bands including Sullen Ray–who you’ll recognize as our intro song, and her old main project This Time With Feeling. Currently, she plays in NOBLES and Glasz, but her main project is Strangers Inc, which she does with her writing and production partner Javan Slagle.

Ali joined me on Skype from Los Angeles, while we weathered the crazy storm that overtook southern California this past winter. We talk a lot about her current project Strangers Inc and why she’s excited about going in a new direction musically, the music scene in Orange County compared to Los Angeles and San Diego–and sorry, I can’t help shit talking LA some more, but I like being proven wrong as well– and music collectives and collaborations.

Find Strangers Inc at their website or through their frequently updated Instagram account @strangersinc.

If you liked this episode, rate us on iTunes so more people can find the podcast. And as always, feel free to leave a comment, email me, follow me on Twitter, or like Grrl on Grrl on Facebook.

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Download here. [~30 mins, 59MB]

Shownotes

  • [1:30] Writing and playing in This Time With Feeling
    • Based in Orange County, great music community
    • Knowing when projects need to end
    • Transitioning to Los Angeles from Orange County
  • [2:30] Being a supporting member in a band versus being the front person
  • [3:30] Collaborating with long-time friend Javan Slagle to create Strangers Inc
  • [4:45] What made Ali go from indie pop to electronic?
    • Javan’s influence with synth and production
    • Using Ali’s guitar as a sample in the tracks
    • Dark and sexy, “moody and dark… a rainy night kind of mood.”
  • [6:15] Musical identity: being known as a bass player in Los Angeles when she doesn’t consider bass as her main instrument
  • [7:00] Kat Hamilton – Reminders
  • [11:00] Does Orange County have a good music scene?
  • [12:45] After playing those same few venues over and over, where do you go from there if you want to grow?
    • Moving to LA vs. staying in Orange County
    • MAPS – collective of musicians that own a studio together (Instagram)
      • “That happens in LA as well, but you have to find it.” Ali references Laura of Psychic Love as an example of this in LA.
  • [14:25] Trying to convince Orange County band members to play in Los Angeles
    • Knowing the right spots to play
    • “It’s hard to break into… and find your pocket.”
    • San Diego as a friendly music scene?
  • [15:30] Psychic Love – Nancy (Soundcloud)
  • [19:00] Complementary and collaborative skills to create Strangers Inc with her writing partner Javan Slagle
    • Trusting each other
    • “Inc” allows Strangers Inc keep the project open-ended and maybe start bringing other people in. It doesn’t have to be all music.
  • [20:15] The songwriting process for Strangers Inc.
    • Using their upcoming single as an example of the process
    • Transformation, learning something new, and getting new ideas
    • “When you’re too comfortable with something, you get too comfortable.” Taking risks is important. (Call back to episode 10 with Miah Spring.)
    •  Getting out of your comfort zone
      • Playing fast music (with three-part harmonies!) with NOBLES in Orange County, who will be releasing a live video on on YouTube soon
  • [24:30] Strangers Inc – Cyclone

Other Notes & Thanks!

Thank you again to Ali Coyle for taking the time to Skype with me.

Special thanks to: Sullen Ray who graciously allows me to use their song “Get Up Got It” as the Grrl on Grrl podcast intro and outro–listen to and buy their album Blue Minor on Bandcamp and look out for the upcoming new album Outside the Color Wheel; Greg Guiliano for his financial support; and Gary Hankins for making the episode sound good.

And to all my friends who have been so supportive of this project, I love you!

GRRL012: safe spaces (or lack thereof) and the DIY scene, featuring Anastasia Rivera of The Weak Days

Anastasia Rivera is vocalist and keyboardist for pop punk/emo band The Weak Days based in Richmond, Virginia. The band describes themselves as “sing-along indie punk/pop… whatever that means.” And the name fits, I think, especially with their dual and dueling vocals.

Anastasia joins me over Skype. We talk a lot about being a girl in the DIY punk music scene in Richmond, battling hardcore kids (literally), and her strategy when it comes to avoiding uncomfortable situations at shows.

You can find The Weak Days on Bandcamp and Facebook, and if you’re on the east coast, you’ll be happy to learn that they play outside of Richmond. In fact, they’ll be doing a short tour this spring.

If you liked this episode, rate us on iTunes so more people can find the podcast. And as always, feel free to leave a comment, email me, follow me on Twitter, or like Grrl on Grrl on Facebook.

Listen Here

Download here. [~26 mins, 31MB]

Shownotes

  • [1:00] DIY punk spaces in Richmond, Virginia
    • Strange Matter: safe venue
    • More bands means more houses to play in
    • More open than the hardcore scene
  • [2:45] Violence at shows vs. riot grrrl/inclusivity
    • “I had my septum ring punched out. I’m 90% sure that the guy got pissed off that I got purple lipstick on his sleeve.”
  • [4:00] The Weak Days – Year of the Gnar
  • [7:30] House venues, especially in Philadelphia
    • Seeing house shows fill to max capacity
    • “Let’s just throw shows whenever… and surprise, we’re your favorite band!”
    • Does San Diego have a space or audience for more house venues? Does gentrification have an affect
    • Call back to Emma’s episode about creating DIY spaces in San Diego
  • [9:00] All ages venues
    • Under-21 people missing cool shows only because of their age
  • [10:00] Padfoot – Make Way for the Hurt Kid
  • [14:00] Touring with guys
    • “The only thing that sucks about being a girl in the band… is being a girl in the band.”
    • Being put on a pedestal, glorified, or viewed at a higher standard — Damned if you do, damned if you don’t?
  • [16:30] Slingshot Dakota – Until the Day I Die
    • Pre-order their upcoming album Break at Top Shelf Records, in different formats
  • [21:00] Dealing with boys approaching her at shows
    • How do you respond to inappropriate/uncomfortable comments?
    • “Problems” with being sober: “I can’t go outside to smoke a cigarette to get out of a conversation.”
    • Comparisons to working in retail
  • [23:00] People disrespecting boundaries
    • During tour life, romance
    • Re-iterating the need for safe spaces
  • [23:30] Being in someone’s “favorite band” doesn’t excuse bad behavior
    • Speedy Ortiz’s sexual assault hotline at their shows
    • Here’s an interview about that hotline.
      • “It seems like people have identified a real need for it, and we’re happy that that need hasn’t yet translated into us having to take proactive measures to help someone. I think even just the idea of this existing makes people more inclined to look out for one another, and look out for one another’s safety.”

Other Notes & Thanks!

Thank you again to Anastasia Rivera for joining me on Skype.

Special thanks to: Sullen Ray who graciously allows me to use their song “Get Up Got It” as the Grrl on Grrl podcast intro and outro–listen to and buy their album Blue Minor on Bandcamp and look out for the upcoming new album Outside the Color Wheel; Greg Guiliano for his financial support; and Gary Hankins for making the episode sound good.

And to all my friends who have been so supportive of this project, I love you!

GRRL011: playing solo vs ensemble and physical products, featuring Carrie Gillespie Feller of Hexa

For episode 11, Carrie Gillespie Feller invited me into her home for the interview. I have to admit, I would’ve stayed forever if only to cuddle with her cat some more…

This episode is especially exciting for me because we talk a lot about her new project, Hexa and her debut EP Bata Motel that came out only last week. Although the album was recorded with other musicians, her live performance is just her, with a keyboard, loop pedal, microphone, and drum pad. It’s really amazing watching her build layers and layers of sound and harmony… Honestly, it’s a great live experience.

Besides Hexa, Carrie has been in several San Diego bands, the two most recent being ILYA and Lunar Maps, which you’ll also get to hear during the course of the episode. Because of her experiences, we talk about the differences between playing solo versus in a band, and we also touch on creating physical products in an industry run by digital downloads.

If you liked this episode, rate us on iTunes so more people can find the podcast. And as always, feel free to leave a comment, email me, follow me on Twitter, or like Grrl on Grrl on Facebook.

Listen Here

Download here. [41 mins, 47MB]

Shownotes

  • [1:00] Hexa, Carrie’s latest project
    • Finding a creative space
    • Inspiration for Hexa–moving to a new neighborhood and dealing with her living situation
    • Challenging herself with the solo project after years in bands
  • [3:00] Learning to play live as a solo artist
    • “Things can go very, very wrong.”
  • [4:00] Differences in songwriting in a solo project versus in bands
    • Learning to “scale back” lyrically
  • [6:30] A call back to the episodes featuring Lori and Paloma about extra scrutiny as a woman on stage
    • Being patronized at the music store
    • “How I look on stage” versus “the work I’ve put in as a songwriter and musician”
  • [8:30] Hexa – “Campo” from her new EP, Bata Motel
  • [12:30] The process of putting out her album
    • “This was definitely my most favorite recording experience I’ve ever had.”
    • Making a physical product to go with a download card
    • Using the skills of creative friends
  • [14:15] Releasing records independently
    • Making a “band family”
    • “You can kind of do everything you need to do…”
    • Having a supportive community even if you’re doing things on your own
  • [16:00] Pricing for album
    • Pay-what-you-want: Is it sustainable?
    • What are the pros and cons? Depends on your goal, where you are in your career
  • [18:00] Writing new material
    • Scaling back from her current songs
    • Being conscious of how she would perform the new songs live
  • [19:20] ILYA – “Gomez”
  • [27:45] Music as its own rewarding experience, not about “making it big”
    • “Music and writing… not as glamorous as I thought I’d be” (June)
    • Playing music because it feels good
    • Challenging yourself
  • [29:45] Songwriting process
    • Words first? Arrangement first?
    • Lyrical inspiration
    • Creating an impactful performance
  • [31:00] Haunted house as inspiration for Hexa (CityBeat article)
    • “I wouldn’t write songs [about it]… I’d get the hell out.” (June)
    • “I’m going to drive the ghosts out with these songs!”
  • [33:30] Lunar Maps – “Diamond Seas”
  • [39:30] Don’t forget, I’m still looking for contributors for the inaugural issue of the Grrl on Grrl zine! Shoot me an email if you’re interested in submitting.

Other Notes & Thanks!

Thanks again to Carrie for letting me into her home–*June says as creepily as possible*–for the interview.

Special thanks to: Sullen Ray who graciously allows me to use their song “Get Up Got It” as the Grrl on Grrl podcast intro and outro–listen to and buy their album Blue Minor on Bandcamp and look out for the upcoming new album Outside the Color Wheel; Greg Guiliano for his financial support; and Gary Hankins for making the episode sound good.

And to all my friends who have been so supportive of this project, I love you!