GRRL029: Writing in the car, 90s influences, and Instagram marketing with Dee Clement of Lonely Bones

Dee Clement joins me over Skype to talk about her new project Lonely Bones. Why can’t Dee write any love songs? Why does she insist on writing songs while driving? And what’s up with Instagram? We talk about those questions and more!

Previously of Peachy Keene and Sullen Ray, Dee Clement has been playing music and writing songs for a good while. For Lonely Bones, she’s working with Ali Coyle and Javan Slagle who are helping her produce the album.

Thank you to Dee Clement for chatting with me and to all the artists for permission to use their song on the podcast. And as always, thanks to Glenn Greggs of Wait Think Fast Productions–check out his radio show every Tuesday at 9pm EST at WCOM!–and to Polish for use of their song “Drive” as the intro and outro music.


Download GRRL029 at Libsyn [49 minutes; 45MB] or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play]

Show Notes



Announcing the 2017 Grrl on Grrl & Cinema Spartan merch giveaway!

33 different bands… 3 huge merch packages… 3 winners! Could you be one?

Click here for the full list of bands and the details of the three different packages.

How do I enter?

There are a few ways to enter the CINEMA SPARTAN & GRRL ON GRRL 2017 MERCH EXTRAVAGANZA (working title), with each person potentially able to have a maximum of FIVE entries, with a chance of winning ONE of the three big prize packages!

Deadline to enter is JUNE 10, 2017, with the actual drawing on JUNE 11.

Part of this contest is social media-based, so if you have a private Twitter or Instagram account, we won’t be able to see your entry. So you’ll need a public account if you want to be included! For Facebook, set your entry post to Public so we can count your entry.

Donation (2 entries)

  1. Donate at least $5 to Planned Parenthood
  2. Send receipt or screenshot of receipt to, with the subject line “CONTEST ENTRY”. We just want to see that your email address matches the one you’re using to send us the receipt, and the dollar amount, so feel free to edit any other info out!
  3. You’re a freakin’ angel. Feel free to donate multiple times. (But you still only get two entries.)
  4. Wait for June 11, 2017 to see if you’ve won your way to musical heaven. We’ll make an announcement and also privately message you for your mailing info.

Instagram (1 entry)

(Please note that if you have a private account, we won’t be able to see your entry, so please consider making your account public while the contest runs.)

  1. Follow both @cinemaspartan and @grrlongrrl from your account.
  2. Post a photo or video answering the question, “Who is your hero?”
  3. Tag #CSGOGContest
  4. Please don’t be a dick and enter from multiple accounts. That’s pretty shitty.
  5. Wait for June 11, 2017 to see whether you’ve won a package! We’ll make an announcement and also privately message you for your mailing info.

Twitter (1 entry)

(Please note that if you have a private account, we won’t be able to see your entry, so please consider making your account public while the contest runs.)

  1. Follow both @cinemaspartan and @grrlongrrl from your account.
  2. Tweet your answer to the question, “Who is your hero?”
  3. Tag your tweet with the hashtag #CSGOGContest included.
  4. Don’t be a shithead and enter from multiple accounts.
  5. Wait for June 11, 2017 to see whether your mind’s about to be blown with all the rad artists’ merch you’re about to get. We’ll make an announcement and also privately message you for your mailing info.

Facebook (1 entry)

  1. Like both the Cinema Spartan and Grrl on Grrl Podcast pages.
  2. In a public post, answer the question, “Who is your hero?”
  3. Include the hashtag #CSGOGContest
  4. Don’t be a goddamned menace and enter from multiple accounts. That’s not fair.
  5. Wait for June 11, 2017 to see if you’ve won! We’ll make an announcement and also privately message you for your mailing info.

How will you determine winners?

At the end of the month, we’ll throw every entry into a spreadsheet (or something similar) and assign a number. We’ll then use to choose the winners of the three packages!

Or if Rob and I are feeling particularly whimsical, we might draw from a hat.

Only one package per winner.

How will I know if I’ve won?

Both Rob & I will post on our respective social media and sites (Cinema Spartan and Grrl on Grrl) to announce the winner on JUNE 11, 2017. We will also private message you through whichever platform you entered the contest to ask for your mailing address.

Any questions?

Email or comment below and we’ll do our best to answer any questions!

Feeling stuck on how to answer?

“Who’s your hero?”

Well, you can look at it a few different ways. For me, my personal hero is my friend M. because despite all the shit we’ve both been through, she’s stuck around, she’s worked through it, and now she’s helping other people get through THEIR shit too now that she’s graduated with an MFT!

For Rob, his feminist hero is Vera Papisova of Teen Vogue because as soon as she came to the magazine, she “adopted a more body positive stance… and focused on care and political activism.”

You don’t even have to write all that stuff out. I’m sure Rob is just going to post “Vera Papisova of Teen Vogue” with no explanation whatsoever, so…


2017 Merch Contest Bands & Packages

We got over two dozen bands and record labels as part of this stupid contest, divided into 3 separate packages. From music–CDs, cassettes, download codes, and vinyl–to tote bags and koozies, we’ve got a spread of genres, merch, and folks that will add to your already awesome collection. Here’s a playlist of the featured artists!

Who are the bands?

Well, Rob over at Cinema Spartan has been posting about the bands over on the Cinema Spartan Instagram, so definitely look through that. But here is a fancy list for your perusal:

  • Baywitch
  • Bearcats
  • Birdy Bardot
  • Citrus
  • Dani Bell & The Tarantist
  • Dude York
  • Duping the Public
  • Five-Five Hole Records
  • Freezepop
  • Gazebos
  • HEXA
  • Høurs
  • Ian Sweet
  • K-Holes
  • Mommy Long Legs
  • Oh, Spirit
  • Pleasure Model
  • Shannon and the Clams
  • Sir Coyler & His Asthmatic Band
  • Soft Lions
  • Spotlights
  • Strange Relations
  • The Fictitious Dishes
  • The Fresh Brunettes
  • The Julie Ruin
  • The Midnight Pine
  • The Total Bettys

Okay, sure, but what am I going to win?

We’ve got three huge packages (and some surprises along the way?) Each package has some commonalities with each other, but they also have some unique items!

Package A

Package B

Package C


This isn’t even all of it! We still have more merch and surprises (and better pics) soon! Keep an eye out on our social media for more updates.

GRRL028: Pay-to-play, promoting, and self-respect with Jenna of SoCal Indie Musicians

For this episode, Jenna Alonzo joined me over Skype after her tour with her band Frequency Within. Hopefully I’ll be able to get the whole band together for an interview in the future, but this episode is actually about her website SoCal Indie Musicians, which she uses as a platform to help herself and other bands promote themselves and book shows, either through her blog or one-on-one.

After you listen to the interview, scroll down a bit in these here show notes and check out all the blogs Jenna recommends to any DIY musician. You’ll also find links to SoCal Indie Musicians’ social media and her Facebook communities.

Thanks to Jenna Alonzo for joining me for this episode! And as always, thank you to Glenn Greggs of Wait Think Fast Production for being the stalwart financial support for the show. Don’t forget to check out their weekly radio show on WCOM, on Tuesdays at 9pm Eastern Time, for radio plays written by North Carolinian playwrights. The intro and outro song is “Drive” provided by Polish.

Listen Here

Download episode 28 at Libsyn [40 minutes; 36.7MB] or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play]

Show Notes

  • What pay-to-play is, why venues or promoters even do it
  • Jenna’s experiences with pay-to-play and her thoughts on it as a music fan, and then as a musician
  • What makes a good partnership between a band and a venue?
  • Built-in crowd… or not? And knowing your goals and audience
  • [9:00] Frequency Within – “Static Ground”
  • The purpose of SoCal Indie Musicians blog
    • Lots of tips on marketing and booking so she doesn’t keep repeating herself
  • Education in music business and reading as many blogs and books as possible (look below for links to her recommended resources)
  • Learning from mistakes… everything as a new experience. “You can’t really do anything wrong.”
  • “You can’t do everything on your own all the time… even if you want to.”
    • SCIM growing, other people helping
  • What do you look for in a band to decide you want to work with them?
    • “I listen to everything.”
    • “If the song itself is really great, then I’ll check them out further.”
  • Red flags/pet peeves: seeing symptoms and signs of bands she doesn’t want to work with
    • June rants a tiny bit about show attendance
  • [22:00] Black Jacobins – “War is Hell” (Facebook) (CDBaby)
  • What do women and nonbinary folx need to know about the business of music that’s specific to them?
    • Stand up for yourself, basically
  • Some rad venues
  • What are steps to make Orange County venues safer/opener?
  • Putting your safety and feelings above your career
    • Article mentioned in the episode: “This Is Why Wax Idols and King Woman Dropped Off Their Tour with Pentagram” by Cat Jones
    • From the article: “I’ve gotten extremely used to being discredited, scoffed at, made fun of, told that I’m a bitch, that I’m crazy, that I’m delusional, that I’m a nobody, that what I think doesn’t matter, that my band doesn’t matter—I’ve been told all of these things by so many people, and I’m used to it. But I don’t believe it. So I refuse to allow myself to be treated that way, no matter what people say to me and how people treat me. And I’m not going to let my bandmates get treated that way. Absolutely not. I’ll never sit back and watch people that I care about get disrespected and treated like shit, and watch them feel bad and uncomfortable, and not do anything to help them. It’s just not going to happen.” — Hether Fortune
  • [34:30] The Black Heartthrobs – “Everything’s Alright”
  • Officially announcing the 2017 Grrl on Grrl & Cinema Spartan merch giveaway


Jenna’s Blog & Book Recommendations

From an email to me:

As far as books go, they get outdated quickly and a lot of them say the same things about the old music business.  Everything relevant & new you can find as Blogs & on YouTube.  I did, however, purchase Ari’s book “How to make it in the new music business” which is excellent so far and came out in December 2016.  He’s very real and his writing alternates between using “he” and “she” making the reading experience more comfortable.

GRRL026: Femme punk, misconceptions, and song inspiration, with the Fresh Brunettes


This episode of Grrl on Grrl features Aleisha and Alexis of San Diego “femme punk” band The Fresh Brunettes. Their bassist Paul was also in the room, but didn’t say much, as bassists are wont to do, and Fresh Brunettes’ dog mascot Cosmo also graced us with his presence.

Besides the amazing songs from Lisa Prank, Soft Lions, the Candelights, you’ll hear Alexis and Aleisha talk about preconceived notions of what a guitarist or drummer should look like, some inspiration for their songs, and what they appreciate when interacting with their audience.

Thank you as always to Glenn Greggs of Wait Think Fast Production for providing hosting costs, to Polish for providing their song “Drive” for the intro and outro music, and for the first time ever, to Adam Goron, producer of Chicago’s “premier” Star Trek podcast Space Lincoln, for helping me remove some crazy noise on one of the interview tracks. A true lifesaver!

Listen Here

Download GRRL026 on Libsyn [31.2MB, 34 minutes] or stream from these websites [iTunes | Stitcher | TuneIn | Google Play]

Show Notes

  • The who’s who of the Fresh Brunettes
  • A little bit about the name of their latest album Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition
  • What does calling themselves “femme punk” mean
    • Making feminist music; “crass with class”
  • [4:30] Lisa Prank – “Luv is Dumb
  • Meanings behind new songs not on their latest album: “GPS” and “Miss America”
    • “Miss America” based off a poem by Alexis
    • Trigger warning: description of an assault video
  • Deciding on what songs to play and what to have on the album
  • [11:40] Soft Lions – “Digital Girls
  • Their interview on San Diego radio station 91x (91.1)
  • Fans/audience responses and conversations
    • “That’s probably why I like performing so much. It’s my chance to let loose.”
    • Being “unexpectedly” loud (and whether that has to do with gender)
    • Being shy in person but having to perform banter as well
  • [19:30] The Candelights – “Motel” (Facebook) – formerly known as The End
  • Misconceptions and assumptions made on what Aleisha plays or sounds like
    • Counterpoint: Alexis on drums
  • Without Paul the bassist, the new album would not have been made!
  • “Would you do anything different?” Book differently, being smarter about booking in 2017
  • CD/cassette release – Hoping to release through Weiner Records, but…
  • [28:30] The Fresh Brunettes – “Friends”
  • Googling The Fresh Brunettes & Paul’s insightful commentary