GRRL019: Working with a record label, objectification, and insecurities with Megan Liscomb of Soft Lions

Year 2 of Grrl on Grrl continues with episode 19 featuring Megan Liscomb of San Diego band Soft Lions. In this episode, Megan and I talk about working with a record label, insecurities as a live musician, and differences in objectification depending on your role in the band. Soft Lions is also a frequent participant of Monica Mendoza’s shows for GRRRL Independent Ladies, which you can hear more about on Monica’s episode of Grrl on Grrl.

Keep an ear out for news on their upcoming album to be released on Velvet Blue Records late October.

Find links to Soft Lions’ website and releases, along with information on the artists featured in the podcast, below. Thanks for listening!

Listen Here

Download episode 19 here [~30 minutes, ~37MB]

Show Notes

  • [1:30] “Phantom” by Soft Lions
  • [5:00] Past and present goals for playing music as Soft Lions
  • [7:30] Physical objects (ie vinyl records) as an experience
    • A memento of a band
    • A quick rundown of the process of creating a physical record
  • [9:30] “37th Street” by Horrible/Adorable
  • [11:15] Working with Orange County record label Velvet Blue Music
    • Production, management, booking
    • “It’s sort of a partnership… He’s a true believer!”
    • How the relationship with the record label started
    • Why bother looking for record label support?
  • [15:45] “Chartreuse” by Sharkmuffin
  • [17:30] Megan’s experiences as a woman in the music scene
    • “The scene has overall gotten better.”
    • Megan’s phone number is up for sale! (Not!)
    • Feeling safer (as a fan or as a musician) when you see other women on stage
  • [20:00] Walking a difficult line between standing your ground and being nice… customer service at its finest
  • [21:15] A story about Megan teaching a man about boundaries, with a happy ending!
  • [23:20] “FUBAR” by The Fresh Brunettes
  • [27:15] Changes in the past decade (ish) in the music scene
    • Treated differently when “just” singing versus also playing an instrument; more objectification
    • Pop singer culture; being eye candy
  • [28:45] QUESTION TO LISTENERS: How can I make Grrl on Grrl a safer, more gender-inclusive space?
    • Since the start of the podcast last year, I’ve made it my mission to make this project as gender-inclusive as possible. But I don’t think I’m doing the best job. How can I make Grrl on Grrl safer for trans men and women, nonbinary folks, and other underrepresented folks to be on the podcast? How can I change my language and mission statement, or anything else, to lift up all of our voices? If you have any ideas, suggestions, or critiques on how to make this podcast safer for guests, listeners, and featured artists, please shoot me an email at or message me on Twitter or Facebook.


Thank You!

Thank you to Megan Liscomb for inviting me into her home!

Thanks as always to Gary Hankins, who had to deal with up and down levels for this episode. (INSIDER INFO: We had to move a couple of times during the interview, mostly to watch Megan’s adorable cat be a cat.)

And to Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions for paying for audio hosting costs.

You can find the intro/outro song “Drive”, along with other releases by Polish, on the Polish Bandcamp page.

GRRL018: Harassment and support liaisons at shows featuring Hailey Wojcik

GRRL018: Harassment at shows and support liaisons with Hailey Wojcik

Grrl on Grrl Year Two officially begins with episode 18 featuring solo artist Hailey Wojcik. Stop-motion animator and pop rock extraordinaire, Hailey is a talented artist and musician, dedicated to improving her crafts.

In this episode, we talk about Hailey’s workflow for booking tours, unwanted physical contact at shows (and other male micro-aggressions), how we can address and fix them, along with plans for her upcoming tour and new album currently being recorded.

Check out how to find Hailey online in the shownotes below.

Grrl on Grrl also has a new intro and outro song! Polish is a San Diego band that features previous guest Lori Sokolowski on bass and vocals. You can find more info at the bottom of this post.

Listen Here!

Download here [MP3, 29.5MB]


  • [2:00] Release of her latest solo EP Book of Beasts and recording an upcoming full-length
  • [3:00] Booking tours and gauging turnout to shows
  • [7:45] Hailey Wojcik – Dog V. Man (Bandcamp)
  • [10:40] Sexual/physical harassment at shows
    • Safety issues when touring as a solo artist
    • Deciding whether to say something or to to ignore harassment
    • Microaggressions (Trigger Warning for content at the link; examples of “casual” racism, ableism, sexism, etc.), mansplaining
  • [14:20] How do we fix the common problem of harassment at shows?
    • “This conversation is a start.”
    • More discussions, strategizing together
  • [15:00] Hailey Wojcik – Cigarette
  • [17:25] Speedy Ortiz/Sadie Dupuis’ harassment hotline: Attendees of their shows can text this hotline in case of harassment or unsafe situations (More info and a Q&A about it here)
  • [18:15] “A neighborhood watch” in venues, holding people accountable, acknowledgment
    • Seraphim Collective in Brooklyn, based on the work done by the Feminist Action Support Network in Chicago
    • “Support liaisons are present at events to prevent harm, provide emotional care, respond to crisis, mediate conflict, and empower others to do the same. We enhance and encourage safer space by our presence and availability” (from the FASN site)
  • [20:15] Hailey Wojcik – XO, Skeleton

Find Hailey online

Special Thanks

Thank you so much to Hailey for taking the time to speak with me! We had a few scheduling hiccups, but finally sitting down with her was such a pleasure and totally worth the wait.

As always, thank you to Gary Hankins and Greg Guiliano (of Wait Think Fast Productions) for their continued support with the podcast. Without them, my podcast wouldn’t sound so good nor would it have proper hosting!

Thank you to Lori Sokolowski and the rest of Polish for letting me use their song “Drive” for the intro and outro music. You can follow them on Facebook and download their songs on their Bandcamp.